This phenomenon of hiking off because you do not share 100% agreement with someone is relatively new in this trump era. It is a recipe for failure for the person who thinks 100% agreement is even achievable. What that actually means is that person cannot tolerate critical thought that isn’t an exact match to their ideas -an emotional wreck. They should just state their counter argument…nothing wrong with that.
Just remember there are a lot of trolls and a lot of mental issues out there. Sounds like this person was afraid to hear a counter argument so not much of a loss.
This is happening within politics too. It doesn’t bode well for anyone.
Agreed, this is getting disturbingly common. I see it every week now, from people who still go on and on about community. I also agree that it's getting worse, and that the Trumpism political attitude is rubbing off on people even if they think it's not. We've got to do better than this.
Honestly, a commitment to critical thinking & continuous improvement is really the bar I have for my “community”.
We all have points of view, some of which others would consider shitty takes.
We all make mistakes.
We all have shitty days.
If the people I that I am around can’t handle the occasional brutal truth alongside my openness to hearing theirs (sorry Rumi, but 2/3 ain’t bad — just ask Meatloaf😹), then they aren’t people I stick around.
I personally think one the best use of AI is for debunking my own posts. I use AI model (yes, I know, this is another conversation in itself) and ask to find me all the flaws, loopholes, opposite views of what I write. I think it is about intellectual and scientific rigor.
Gathering around you people that do think like you and never challenge you is the best way to stay blind. But that is a well known narcissist strategy.
Last week we here in hill country Texas has a storm that affected a great deal of the population. Flash flooding, hail, sky as black and as ominous as you can imagine. Lightening struck our well by traveling through granite. We lost water for four days. We now standardly put out our rain catchers to catch water for flushing toilets, we have drinking water stashed and make sure that our Berkin is filled. It was driving me nuts because it rearranged my list of duties. Third time we have had well issues. We also are a drought prone area, survived, them, and while we are thankful for rain we have a balancing act here in Texas.
Prepping for me is mind insurance. It is making sure of water accessibility, food there are work around, and willingness to step up in the community. Both husband and I are active in animal rescue and food bank. The churches help, and there are all kinds of support within the community. We are as average as they come, retired, and feeling those muscles. Naps are wonderful.
I think of prepping as insurance for a day when I might not have things.or think of it as a savings account for an emergency.
It’s about dealing with risk, and being able to deal with the ones to come.
We are old enough to know that the work we are doing is going to make things easier for us in the years to come, and future me looks forward to somewhat less stress (and fewer backaches 😊) when maintenance, repairs & replacements are what’s needed, as opposed to trying to build from scratch in a time of greater scarcity.
People need people in the countryside or in a city. Even if it's just somebody to talk to and feel good with. I've lived the hippy lifestyle, left a commune because 4 of us were doing all the work. I lived in a cabin with no electricity or running water, you don't want to be the person who left the toilet seat in the outhouse in winter when the next person needs to use it. bought my own small farm and worked it till I got old and my body said no more. At no time was I entirely self sufficient. I always had people I could rely on maybe not to solve the current problem but to get me to laugh about it. Community isn't just close neighbors it's whoever you can form a bond with. I mean you need someone to go out to the chicken coop in the middle of winter and make fun of the chickens while you thaw their feet off of the roosts they're frozen to.
You drink dew by licking it off the surface it’s found on, obviously.
In all seriousness, I have to check myself on blaming everything on Trump/the voters when the system collapse and climate change has been in motion for decades.
Regarding the unsubscriber, I think the disconnect stems from people’s differing ideas and how they believe stuff will play out. Then people’s ideas about collapse of civilization become so entrenched that they can’t see beyond their own ideas.
I follow people who believe everything is fine if we vote hard enough, you, and another guy who believes nuclear war is imminent so it’s imperative to do everything the email from the unsubscriber laid out. That person also says they have a fully off grid property and a close knit group. It’s all very interesting. I think all paths are valid as people navigate crises within their means.
I think if people have the resources and group to go ahead and do the full off-grid community thing, that's great. Like you said, that's not a path that everyone can take. There are different paths.
I really appreciate this post and the earlier one. I would get overwhelmed by the prospect of self sufficiently. Your approach of learning and moving forward in stages as you and able encourages me.
In 2014 I lived in northern Houston and was politically team blue. I worked downtown with colleagues and socialized with people who were also generally team blue. That spring our neighborhood had floods so high that cars parked down the slope in the street weren’t visible under the water. Everyone on our street was stuck in their houses, which had become islands, or lakes for those at slightly lower elevations.
I posted what was happening on Facebook. My colleagues and acquaintances sent thumbs up and well wishes. Then came the guys from outside our neighborhood in boats with a chainsaw, just in case. Many of them would have worn red ball caps, if that had already been a thing in 2014. They evacuated the flooded families and elderly residents without waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
My community members are the ones who show up, not necessarily the ones a agree with.
90% of us agree on the 90% that matters. The differences that are amplified by the media and used by politicians to divide us don't matter, or even exist, when the chips are down.
Well, for my contribution to the "community" let me recommend The Humanure Handbook for what could be a very helpful, and genuinely funny, manual for handling what happens when the water doesn't flow and toilets don't flush. It'd be an issue.
This phenomenon of hiking off because you do not share 100% agreement with someone is relatively new in this trump era. It is a recipe for failure for the person who thinks 100% agreement is even achievable. What that actually means is that person cannot tolerate critical thought that isn’t an exact match to their ideas -an emotional wreck. They should just state their counter argument…nothing wrong with that.
Just remember there are a lot of trolls and a lot of mental issues out there. Sounds like this person was afraid to hear a counter argument so not much of a loss.
This is happening within politics too. It doesn’t bode well for anyone.
Agreed, this is getting disturbingly common. I see it every week now, from people who still go on and on about community. I also agree that it's getting worse, and that the Trumpism political attitude is rubbing off on people even if they think it's not. We've got to do better than this.
Honestly, a commitment to critical thinking & continuous improvement is really the bar I have for my “community”.
We all have points of view, some of which others would consider shitty takes.
We all make mistakes.
We all have shitty days.
If the people I that I am around can’t handle the occasional brutal truth alongside my openness to hearing theirs (sorry Rumi, but 2/3 ain’t bad — just ask Meatloaf😹), then they aren’t people I stick around.
How else would we learn?
I personally think one the best use of AI is for debunking my own posts. I use AI model (yes, I know, this is another conversation in itself) and ask to find me all the flaws, loopholes, opposite views of what I write. I think it is about intellectual and scientific rigor.
Gathering around you people that do think like you and never challenge you is the best way to stay blind. But that is a well known narcissist strategy.
Last week we here in hill country Texas has a storm that affected a great deal of the population. Flash flooding, hail, sky as black and as ominous as you can imagine. Lightening struck our well by traveling through granite. We lost water for four days. We now standardly put out our rain catchers to catch water for flushing toilets, we have drinking water stashed and make sure that our Berkin is filled. It was driving me nuts because it rearranged my list of duties. Third time we have had well issues. We also are a drought prone area, survived, them, and while we are thankful for rain we have a balancing act here in Texas.
Prepping for me is mind insurance. It is making sure of water accessibility, food there are work around, and willingness to step up in the community. Both husband and I are active in animal rescue and food bank. The churches help, and there are all kinds of support within the community. We are as average as they come, retired, and feeling those muscles. Naps are wonderful.
I think of prepping as insurance for a day when I might not have things.or think of it as a savings account for an emergency.
You can’t help others if you can’t help yourself.
So well said, Pbr!
It’s about dealing with risk, and being able to deal with the ones to come.
We are old enough to know that the work we are doing is going to make things easier for us in the years to come, and future me looks forward to somewhat less stress (and fewer backaches 😊) when maintenance, repairs & replacements are what’s needed, as opposed to trying to build from scratch in a time of greater scarcity.
Exactly. That's how I see it as well.
Hi Jessica, have you heard of the Low Tech Magazine?
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/
You might find more ideas for your handbook in there.
There is this about old Indian methods of water catchment:
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/06/water-johads-a-low-tech-alternative-to-mega-dams-in-india/
Oh, nice!
People need people in the countryside or in a city. Even if it's just somebody to talk to and feel good with. I've lived the hippy lifestyle, left a commune because 4 of us were doing all the work. I lived in a cabin with no electricity or running water, you don't want to be the person who left the toilet seat in the outhouse in winter when the next person needs to use it. bought my own small farm and worked it till I got old and my body said no more. At no time was I entirely self sufficient. I always had people I could rely on maybe not to solve the current problem but to get me to laugh about it. Community isn't just close neighbors it's whoever you can form a bond with. I mean you need someone to go out to the chicken coop in the middle of winter and make fun of the chickens while you thaw their feet off of the roosts they're frozen to.
You drink dew by licking it off the surface it’s found on, obviously.
In all seriousness, I have to check myself on blaming everything on Trump/the voters when the system collapse and climate change has been in motion for decades.
Regarding the unsubscriber, I think the disconnect stems from people’s differing ideas and how they believe stuff will play out. Then people’s ideas about collapse of civilization become so entrenched that they can’t see beyond their own ideas.
I follow people who believe everything is fine if we vote hard enough, you, and another guy who believes nuclear war is imminent so it’s imperative to do everything the email from the unsubscriber laid out. That person also says they have a fully off grid property and a close knit group. It’s all very interesting. I think all paths are valid as people navigate crises within their means.
Well said, and thank you for your kind and nonjudgmental viewpoint
I think if people have the resources and group to go ahead and do the full off-grid community thing, that's great. Like you said, that's not a path that everyone can take. There are different paths.
I really appreciate this post and the earlier one. I would get overwhelmed by the prospect of self sufficiently. Your approach of learning and moving forward in stages as you and able encourages me.
Nice article
Much wisdom here. Cyber-Tek Zine sends regards. -T
I know it is a bit thick to post your own links into a comment, but I thought it was relevant.
Love
https://www.gabriellovemore.com/p/the-best-collapse-companion-is-you?r=ycowa
As long as it's relevant! (It is.)
In 2014 I lived in northern Houston and was politically team blue. I worked downtown with colleagues and socialized with people who were also generally team blue. That spring our neighborhood had floods so high that cars parked down the slope in the street weren’t visible under the water. Everyone on our street was stuck in their houses, which had become islands, or lakes for those at slightly lower elevations.
I posted what was happening on Facebook. My colleagues and acquaintances sent thumbs up and well wishes. Then came the guys from outside our neighborhood in boats with a chainsaw, just in case. Many of them would have worn red ball caps, if that had already been a thing in 2014. They evacuated the flooded families and elderly residents without waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
My community members are the ones who show up, not necessarily the ones a agree with.
90% of us agree on the 90% that matters. The differences that are amplified by the media and used by politicians to divide us don't matter, or even exist, when the chips are down.
Well, for my contribution to the "community" let me recommend The Humanure Handbook for what could be a very helpful, and genuinely funny, manual for handling what happens when the water doesn't flow and toilets don't flush. It'd be an issue.
https://humanurehandbook.com/contents.html
Prepping helps me maintain my fleeting sanity and illusion of agency in the face what I'm prepping for. It's not much, but it's something.